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galantz
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Nuclear Propulsion Reply with quote

I think it would be fun to get the feedback from people regarding nuclear propulsion! The performance benefits, and with modern technology the potential for radioactive contamination seems significantly reduced...

I'm wondering how long politics and media terror will stay in the way?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been interesting watching the preparations for New Horizons and contrasting that with the run-up to the Cassini launch. With the exception of the usual suspects like Gagnon, the 'nuclear disaster' hysteria just isn't there.

I think the time is approaching, both on the ground and in space, when we can get over our fear of the nuclear bogeyman, and approach the risks and benefits of nuclear technology rationally.

But then, I'm also an incurable optimist Smile

In terms of propulsion, were you thinking nuclear-electric, or nuclear-thermal rocket engines? My thoughts at the moment are that the first new reactors that go into space will be purely for power generation, probably one emplaced on the Moon as a tech demo for a Mars ISRU power source - if NASA manages to get VSE beyond low earth orbit. Judging by the fate of JIMO, I think that nuclear propulsion tech will be on the back burner for a few more years yet.

But then, say we could get propellants fairly cheaply with robotic missions to NEOs (SpaceDev's Jim Benson is a big proponent of this) - if chemical propellants in LEO were cheap, then most problems could be solved just by adding more of them, rather than introducing the added complexity of nuclear tech.

Of course, cheap prop in LEO is a bit like snow in the Sahara desert right now.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Nuclear Propulsion Reply with quote

galantz wrote:
I think it would be fun to get the feedback from people regarding nuclear propulsion! The performance benefits, and with modern technology the potential for radioactive contamination seems significantly reduced...

I'm wondering how long politics and media terror will stay in the way?


The performance benifits are great (of course the term ranges from nucler thermal, fusion, or Orion!!) simple nuclear thermans like Timberwind could allow nuclear boost from earth surface, and contain the radioactive materials even in case of a crash. Wouldn't fly to close behind them though - adn air start of the engine would be a big plus.

;)

As to the politics - brick wall. Resistence to nukes is driving power companies back to coal and oil replacement power plants!! Even folks screeming about air polution and global warming, favor fossil fuel over nukes.

In space, where you actually are saving the crew from greater radiation exposure, folks down here still weird out - not as much as before, but enough to be a real problem for anyone wanting gov aproval.

A big question is does it matter with commercials taking over the leed? The US gov would cvertainly go nuts about releasing radioactive fuel to a space rocket, but there are other sources. Others that could replicate the designs?

A Virgin Galactic Mars mission with a Timberwind rocket knock off built in India??

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Nuclear energy and spaceship propulsion. Reply with quote

Nuclear power is an attractive source of energy for spaceship propulsion, because it is capable of much longer operation than chemical power. But there are a few problems inherent in nuclear propulsion.

The first one is that a fission reaction generates a great deal of heat, as well as emitting radiation. How is this a problem? Turning heat into push is not easy, unless the most dircet method is used, which involves pumping a working fluid, preferably rich in hydrogen, through a reactor core, where it absorbs heat, and expands. The expansion is done in a chamber with a specially shaped nozzle, which maximizes the expansion of the working fuel. The exhuast of this type of motor would be fairly radioactive, so it could not be used in atmosphere.

To generate electricity with nuclear power means converting heat into mechanical energy, which is then used to turn a generator. In the past, on Earth, this has been done with water, which turns to steam when heated, which spins a turbine. The water is not exposed to the nuclear core itself, but instead to primary coolant, which transfers its energy to the secondary coolant, which is what spins the turbine. Such a conversion process requires a lot of massive components, which reduces the effiency of this type of conversion for propulsion.

Another problem with nuclear power is that the reactor emits a lot of radition, which is currently sheilded by thick slabs of dense, heavy material. Such an approach on a spacecraft is going to seriously reduce the effiency of the system. One answer is to build the spacecraft so that the nuclear reactor is located as far from the crew area as possible, like on a boom, which sticks a long way out from the crew portion of the craft. Some sheilding would probably still have to be used, at least on the area faceing the crew section.

So the use of nuclear power is going to take a while to adapt to outer space. But it is almost certain to occur, at some point, because chemical power so limited.
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